ATTENTION! The Emergence of the One World Religion Is Here!
Actually, it’s been here for a while; but on June 26th of last year, 2011, the United States of America adopted it.
For legal reasons, I am not able to share my opinion on this religion; I can only give you the facts. My desire is to inform you of world events that I and many other Christians feel fulfill scripture. You decide for yourself what you think of this as I make you aware. I can’t tell you how many people I have mentioned this religion to who do not know what it is and have never heard of it. I will begin with a quote from an article I found on Belief Net.
“Pastor Mike Sanderson reports that churches in Houston, Atlanta, Seattle and Detroit have called for an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam. In addition to sermons, he said, Sunday school lessons were being centered on the teachings of the Prophet Mohammad. “Korans will be placed in the pews next to the Bibles,” he told readers.
Chrislam is a religion which combines Christianity and Islam. It is believed this religion is a big step in world peace because finally, Christians and Muslims can have peace together on one common ground; Jesus. The fact is, the Muslim Jesus (Nabi Isa, that is Prophet Jesus, or, Isa al-Masseh, which is Jesus the Messiah) is still to come. He is not the same Jesus that we call the Messiah, they believe. The believe that the Jesus we call the Messiah was a prophet who did not die on the cross; rather, Allah felt sorry for Him and removed Him from the cross, thus replacing Him with someone else who looked like Him. They are still awaiting the person that Christianity calls the false prophet, but to them is the Isa al-Masseh, or Nabi Isa. This person will work alongside the great imam Mahdi; the world religious and political leader who will establish Islam as the one world religion, bringing peace to all of the earth. When compared, the man who will be the Antichrist to the Christians is the same man who will be the imam Mahdi to the Muslims.
So how can these two religions be combined in the thing that draws them together is a single word, Jesus; but to each, Jesus is a different being?
Here is another blurb I copied from an article about Chrislam on Belief Net–
“In the African nation of Nigeria, the Rev. Shamsuddin Saka seeks to bridge the religious divide. Fred de Sam Lazaro for “The World” radio program on Public Radio International reports: One man is trying to bridge the gap. He preaches a liturgy that blends Christianity and Islam. Of hundreds of small churches in Lagos, this likely is the only one that has both a Bible and a Qur’an on the lectern. The invocations come loudly from both. Practitioners of what the preacher calls ‘Chrislam,’ fifteen 1,500 on some Sundays, see no religious fault line.Saka preaches that Christians and Muslims are both children of Abraham. Saka was born Muslim, and, the PRI report notes: “It was after returning from a Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca that he was inspired – he says instructed by God – to launch his new ministry: ‘That was about 19 years ago. I was praying and I laid down and the Lord told me, make peace between Christian and Muslim.’”
Christian Science Monitor reporter Abraham McLaughlin describes Saka’s place of worship: At first, it seems a surprising sight: inside a two-story mosque in sub-Saharan Africa’s largest metropolis hangs a life-size portrait of Jesus Christ. Yet worshipers at “The True Message of God Mission” say it’s entirely natural for Christianity and Islam to co-exist, even overlap. They begin their worship by praying at the Jesus alcove and then “running their deliverance” — sprinting laps around the mosque’s mosaic-tiled courtyard, praying to the one God for forgiveness and help. They say it’s akin to Israelites circling the walls of Jericho – and Muslims swirling around the Ka’ba shrine in Mecca. This group — originally called “Chris-lam-herb” for its mix-and-match approach to Christianity, Islam, and traditional medicine – is a window on an ongoing religious ferment in Africa. At a nearby church/mosque with perhaps 500 worshipers is a teacher named Tela Tella who says that Saka stole his idea for Chrislam.
PRI describes a service at Saka’s facility: It begins each Sunday morning with Qur’anic prayer. The prayer is intense, a trance-like frenzy similar to a Pentecostal Christian service. It climaxes with a sermon hitting repeatedly on the themes of prayerfulness and on the commonality between Islam and Christianity.] Alan Wisdom, director of the Presbyterian Action committee and vice president for research and programs at the Institute on Religion & Democracy contends that Islam should never be viewed as an equal to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Moreover, Korans should never be placed next to God’s Holy Word, he says. He told writer Chad Groening at the news site OneNewsNow:”The Bible is God’s unique revelation to us. The pulpit of a church is for preaching the Word of God, and we believe that that is the scriptures of the Old and New Testament. When we go to worship God, we worship Jesus Christ, and we can’t mix that worship with any other allegiance.”Wisdom said that while he believes it is important for Christians to study and understand religions like Islam, he does not think believers should ever cross the line and blend Christianity together with a religion that is “antithetical to Christian teachings.”
Ishak Akintola, a religion scholar at Nigeria’s Lagos State University, has watched the two Chrislam congregations in Lagos and told PRI the spiritual basis for the merger is sound: “The Bible concentrates on teachings of love; that’s what Jesus says in Matthew: Chapter Five, that you love your neighbor and you even love your enemy. Now you find the Qur’an saying exactly the same thing.”
It’s still up for debate whether the Nigerian Chrislam congregations and others like them, could become models for Muslim-Christian unity worldwide or whether they’re uniquely African. But either way, they are “part of a trend,” says Dana Robert, a Boston University religion professor.
Author Bill Muehlenberg on his website “Culture Watch” sees no future for Christlam:
Some misguided Christians believe they can somehow combine the two religions and still have something recognizable as the Christian faith. Sorry, but it can’t happen. Muslims are happy to use such versions of religious syncretism to gain entry into Christian circles, but it just results in the creation of more dhimmitude – Christians becoming second-class citizens. Islam always wins in such attempts, while Christianity always loses. The truth is, the two religions are fully incompatible. They may seem to be similar (both are world religions, both have Abrahamic origins, both are monotheistic, etc) but the differences are far greater.
Bestselling Dr. John MacArthur writes: When evangelicals capitulate and attempt to soften the offense of the gospel in this way, they blur the lines between the god of Islam and the God of the Bible. Islam rejects the Trinity and the God of the Bible, insisting instead that Allah alone is the one true deity. It denies that Jesus is God, that He died on the cross, and that He was raised from the dead. Instead, say Muslims, Jesus was but one of thousands of prophets sent by Allah, the greatest of them being Mohammed. In other words, Jesus was merely a man. Islam rejects the salvation of forgiveness through Christ, teaching that only Muslims can be saved.
The concept is likely to be embraced by a few non-fundamentalists on either side of the Christian-Islam divide, such as Universalists, Unitarians — who make up a tiny fraction of Christianity. There are some Buddhists, Hindus, Bahai, Sikh and Shinto faithful who might be willing to add Christianity and Islam to their belief system — since some within those faiths reject that there is any single path to God.
But any successful hybrid of Islam and Christianity is unlikely to play well at the Vatican or in Mecca — much less Nashville or Tehran — since a merger would require abandoning such key beliefs as that:
Jesus is the only hope of the world or that submission to Koranic law alone earns eternity in Paradise.
Islam holds the firm view that eternal damnation awaits those who do not earn salvation by submitting to the requirements of the Koran, which describes Jesus as a noteworthy prophet who didn’t really die on the cross.
Christianity has at its very core that Jesus is the only way to heaven, that we are to turn away from “revelations” such as the Koran that deny that He is the Son of God — and that eternal salvation cannot be earned, but is God’s gift of grace, earned for mankind by Christ’s crucifixion.
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I wanted to better educate people on this. I found this story here: Belief Net. As you can see, even the elect could be led to believe that this religion is truly a good and wonderful thing; after all, it promises something that has never existed–peace between the Christians and the Muslims. As a Christian who believes the only way to heaven is through the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the only way–you decide for yourself what you make of this.
Me personally, and this is all I will say–the one world religion is among us. People, you had better get ready, because this is the last sign to occur; the rapture of God’s church could happen at any moment. If so, are you ready? Is your family ready? Are you neighbors ready? What about that person you have a grudge on or can’t seem to forgive…is whatever it is worth their eternal soul? Think about it, but let me warn you, you don’t have much time. Hurry!
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I John 2:22, “Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is Antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.”
For further review: Great Awakening Blogspot
A couple of videos I came across on Youtube concerning this.
WHAT HAPPENED ON JUNE 26, 2011 REGARDING THIS RELIGION? Click here to find out!
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I have posted enough stuff along this line that if it comes to it they will arrest me.
I will not bow my knee to anyone but the King of Kings and Lord most High. His name is Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the one risen from the dead.
We are of the prophets, which God told Elijah that he had preserved for this day. I thank God for you. Preach on!
Wow remso,I am humbled by your kind comment. Thank you so much and God bless you! I’ll have to check out your site!
So some are combining the two religions to make Islam palatable. These religions are so polar opposite. These are not christians that are doing and believing in this.
Amen. They are Christians who have turned away from the true gospel..mind you..even the elect shall be led astray..and they have. They claim they have Jesus in common, when we do not serve the same Jesus…it’s apostasy and blasphemy is what it is.
I am not a church goer because the last church I went to was all about greed, how big a building, how many members and where you lived. When my husband went with me he sat with a deacon and the deacon boasted that he has dinner witih the preacher. It turned me off. To me the core was rotten.
I hear you. It’s hard to find a church that is not perverted somewhere in its makeup. Most churches are about feeling good, not convicted. Where ther eis no conviction, there is no repentance; and where there is no repentance, there is no lowliness, and there is no hope.
Yes, I have read of Chrislam, and I believe this is a step towards the one world/one church goal. The great pity is that hordes of non-Christian do-gooders will see this as a major step forward and embrace it heartily. Thank you for a great explanation of this movement.
There can be no doubt that we are in the last times. We are one day closer. We rejoice, but we fear for those who do not know our Saviour.
I can’t publicly say, but please do some research; you’ll find that the elect have been led astray…big time elect ministers. Go to youtube and do a search on Robert Schuller (and I’m prob splng his last name wrong…) and all sorts of “other” ministers, as well as him, come up. I can tell you there are a number of ministers supporting this movement…and to be honest, their argument sounds/seems right….but Satan, knowing the Bible forwards and backwards, is the master of deception and making things look like a good thing when it is indeed not.
People do not want to be corrected because they want to stay comfortable living in sin and bondage; the saddest part, most don’t even realize this because they are so conditioned to the lies the enemy has fed them.
Hi Lyn,
Check this out…it relates to this.
http://loganswarning.com/2012/06/26/michigan-usa-christians-stoned-by-muslim-mob/
Oh yeah..did you see the video footage of it? If you haven’t, you want it? I’d have to email it to you though. Let me know. It’s pretty bad. Even the cop rebukes the Christians and takes up for the angry mob!
Oh Yes, I saw it. It’s only going to get worse.
Don’t I know!
As Christians, there should never be a problem with Muslims, Jews, other-believers, non-believers, atheists or any people in the world, because Jesus preached Agapè love, which should be more than the love of a good Muslim or any person doing good to others. But mixing faith is something totally different and should not happen; The opposite should happen. People should get to know the Truth about the One and Only God. Those Christians who still worship three gods (a God the Father, a god the son and a god the holy Spirit) should come to there senses and accept the Holy Scriptures, which clearly give people the warning that they should only honour One God, the Elohim Hashem, Jehovah. Jeshua was his son and prophet, whom is also recognised as such by the Muslims. The Jews, Christians, Messianic Jews and Islam all have the same patriarch Abraham and should have the same One God. The way of honouring shall stay different and when they do respect each other there should be no problem with that. But in the Bible is predicted that the different religions shall not unite but the opposite shall even go and fight each other. That with many natural signs shall be part of the End Time signs.
You are aware that Muslims do not believe in the same Jesus Chrsitians believe in, aren’t you? We are to love everyone, but Jesus was not a prophet. Jesus was/is the Son of God, and the Messiah. Muslims do not believe in the trinity. They believe Jesus, as a prophet, was on the cross,but that Allah had compassion upon Him and removed him from the cross, replacing Him with someone who looked like Him. Furthermore, they are looking for the Imam Mahdi, the great world/religious/political leader; the person Christians believe is the Antichrist. Furthermore, the false prophet of the Holy Bible is their Nabi Isa (Prophet Jesus) or, Isa al-Masseh (Jesus the Messiah)of the Quran. So, in reality, Muslims and Christians do not even have Jesus in common, except for the name, because they are not the same Jesus.
According to the Holy Scriptures Jesus is the son of God, and not god the son. We are aware that many Christians do want to keep to the Trinitarian picture which was brought into Christianity to assure the power of certain people in the . But those who really want to follow Christ Jesus, whose name was really Jeshua (and not hail Zeus, what Jesus means). Soon at the beginning of Christianity, some who came in the municipalities, begun to bring their belief convictions in the terms of the Greek philosophy to expression, to make what they preached more acceptable for the men of the world. Gradually pagan doctrines came into the system, as the Holy Trinity and the inherent immortality of the soul, and became a part of a sullied form of Christianity.
According to the Bible Jesus was placed in the womb of the virgin Mary (=Miriam). He was really a man who could sin and die, while God cannot be tempted, does not sin and as a spirit is not able to die. It is by not sinning and following the wish of God that Jesus could prove something. He also did not fake his death. He really suffered for other men. In his death and resurrection we can find an example what God can do with us all. Jesus was taken up in heaven, not to take the seat in of God, but to sit as his right hand and to be a mediator between God and men. Though we are not Catholics we would like to advice you to read the New Catholic Encyclopaedia were they agree that the Trinity did come in later in Christianity, and were they also agree that the Holy Spirit is not a person but ‘something’, it is namely the Power of God, who Himself is Spirit. (John 4:24).
The son of men who is also the son of God was as such recognised by God, the Father of us all. God knows everything but Jesus did even not know when he was going to return to the earth, because that was up to his Father to whom he is subjected. (Matthew 10:23; Mark 13:32; 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:27,28)
Nabi Isa (Prophet Jesus) or, Isa al-Masseh (Jesus the Messiah)of the Quran points to the same Jeshua, but there are different opinions the same as there are differnet oppinions between trinitarian Christians (like you) and non-trinitarian Christians (like us) We also would not agree with certain sayings from the Quoran, which is a worldly book, while we prefer to keep to the canon of the Books of Men of God, the prophets of God and the apostles of Jeshua (Jesus). The Trinitarians also mainly take dogmas into their belief which were decreed by human people and not by God. The Bible is a clear instruction book to which we should hold and built our faith.
As you point out that the Muslims do not have the same Jesus as you, you also could say that several Christians also do not have the same Jesus as you for their Messiah or Christ = Christos.
Please do remember:
“Hear, O Israel: {1} Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: {1) Or [Jehovah our God, Jehovah is one]; Or [Jehovah is our God, Jehovah is one]; Or [Jehovah is our God, Jehovah alone]}” (Deuteronomy 6:4 ASV)
“That they may know that {1} thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth. {1) Or [thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art etc]}” (Psalms 83:18 ASV)
“32 And John bare witness, saying, I have beheld the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven; and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize {1} in water, he said unto me, Upon whomsoever thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and abiding upon him, the same is he that baptizeth {1} in the Holy Spirit. {1) Or [with]} 34 And I have seen, and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.” (John 1:32-34 ASV)
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16 ASV)
“He that loveth me not keepeth not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s who sent me.” (John 14:24 ASV)
“Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28 ASV)
“These things spake Jesus; and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that the son may glorify thee:” (John 17:1 ASV)
“And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, [even] Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3 ASV)
“Jesus saith to her, {1} Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God. {1) Or [Take not hold on me]}” (John 20:17 ASV)
“13 Now when Jesus came into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say {1} that the Son of man is? {1) Many ancient authorities read [that I the Son of man am]; See Mr 8:27; Lu 9:18} 14 And they said, Some [say] John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 16:13-17 ASV)
“21 Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.” (Luke 3:21-22 ASV)
“yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6 ASV)
“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 ASV)
“And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:28 ASV)
“5 For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, [himself] man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony [to be borne] in its own times;” (1 Timothy 2:5-6 ASV)
All those who love the Creator of heaven and earth should get to know their God, who is Only One God. Those who call themselves Christians should follow the words of Jesus who learned us to pray to his Father, and not to him. They also should listen to the Words of God, given to us in the Bible, where it is also notated that the Power of God came unto the earth to proclaim who the Nazarene Jeshua was.
“And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”” (Matthew 3:17 NIV)
Let us be pleased with this son of God, give him the right place and honour his Father as we should do.
I would with due respect have to disagree with you;
The problem with all this is that the bible clearly says Jesus IS God. I don’t see how it can be otherwise. If you don’t believe Jesus is God, then you believe a false gospel.
For this very reason God’s own people the Jews were not saved and still are not unless they believe in Jesus.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
This verse plainly reveals Jesus as God, how else could He claim, “I give them eternal life”, and “My Father, who has given them to me…”, Jesus can only make these claims because He is God!
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
These verses also clearly say that Jesus is God. Verse 1 says the Word was God…then in verse 14 we see that the Word became flesh, coming from the Father. The Word was Jesus.
John 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
Jesus can not give life to anyone less He be God!
John 5:22-23 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
God the Father will judge no one, the Son will…the only One who can judge is God…therefore Jesus the Son is God. Note that if one does not honor the Son (Jesus), one does not honor the Father.
John 15:26 “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
John 16:7-9 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me;
In the first verse we see that 3 distinct people are represented as being God…the Father, I (Jesus) and the Spirit. In the next verses we see that Jesus after He leaves this world will send the Counselor (Holy Spirit). Then when the Holy Spirit comes, He will convict the world of sin…Jesus own words here, “in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me”.
All need to believe in Jesus as God, or they will not be in heaven. I would implore you to reconsider your thinking on Jesus not being God…your future depends on it. I want to see you in heaven my friend.
Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Are you talking to that guy up there or me? I believe in the Holy Trinity..that they are all one but separate. Jesus is God in the flesh. So I’m kind of confused…unless you’re talking to that guy up there that doesn’t make any sense.
Sorry Lyn, I was responding to the gentleman above!
Ooooops!
No need to apologize, I was only confused. However, I did have some guy on a Christian site use the f word toward me for posting those two christian videos (the jewish psalmist guy) and accused I am spamming and all about myself. I was literally in tears he was so rude to me. You know him, because I’ve seen your posts on his site. I won’t tell you publicly….you’ll have to email me if you’re interested. I don’t know what was up. As far as I am concerned, if it blesses God, post it ..even here..no need to ask my permission. And I wanted to say, if I have ever come across that way to you, I am so sorry..I’m not that way. He thinks I’m advertising my site and myself..and I’m just advertising the Lord, I can’t help it if He uses my hands, just as He uses yours or anybody elses..so I thought, “Oh great..another person upset with me..” LOL
The first quote you present says “I do in my Father’s name speak for me,” = Jesus does not speak in hi sown name but in the name of someone else, namely his Fathers.
“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all;” He is even greater than Christ who is going to hand over the Kingdom to his Father.
The expression ” I and the Father are one.”” is a classical expression which is still used in many languages, like ours (Dutch. When we say “My wife and I are one” we do not mean we are one and the same person, but it means we are one of spirit. For businesses this is a request for a good employee, he has to be one with the firm. This does not mean he has to become or is the firm, but means that he has to do all for the company.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” does not say Jesus is God; it indicates the Word = the speaking was with God. God had already a Plan for the World from the moment that it went wrong. He spoke in the Garden of Eden and when Jesus came into existence (was placed in the womb of a virgin, Gods Word became reality. Jesus, as foretold by Gods Word “became flesh and made his dwelling among us.” Not God made the dwelling, but His Word or His Promise, which was the promised Messiah, Jesus or Jeshua from Nazareth.
These verses do not clearly say that Jesus is God. Verse 1 says the Word was god or a god which means it was an important person. (See the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words of ‘god’) Priests, Kings were gods. At that time as today you had many gods, but they are not The God. (For a further explanation you can find enough websites with articles on God versus gods. Please do consult them or find our articles about that subject.)
Jesus clearly says: “the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.” He does not say “I am the Father” Or “the Father (that) is me”. As we have to become like Christ, it is not that we are going to become God. Christ should be in us, other-while we can not be a Christian, but then we have not become Christ and we surely shall not have become God. (According your way of thinking well.)
You added “Jesus can not give life to anyone less He be God!” to John 5:21, or some one else added that. It is not written like that in the original text.“just as the father raises the dead and makes them alive, so too the son makes alive anyone he wants.” (John 5:21 CJB)
“איכנא גיר דאבא מקים מיתא ומחא להון הכנא אף ברא לאילין דצבא מחא” (John 5:21 Peshitta)
Once more you yourself brings on “John 5:22-23 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgement to the Son, ” to say Jesus is God but here it says once more it is Jesus who judges and not God. Please do try to read what is written and not to keep thinking of your dogma’s you have learned from your denomination were you have been brought up. To understand the Bible, please do try to read it from beginning to end, without the pre assumption of certain dogmas. See what is written black on white and listen to those words and not human teachings. Also try to think in the language the Bible is written (Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.) then everything shall be very clear.
I know this is between you and Writinggomer, however, I know that Jesus is the Son of God. I believe the Word that was with God was Jesus. I believe the Holy Spirit was loosed to us when Jesus died on the cross and rose again, but that the Holy Spirit, the Word (who was named Jesus when He was born in the flesh), were with God from the beginning. Basically, sir, do you believe in the Holy Trinity? Maybe we’re saying the same thing but differently. I have found in my communications with people from other countries that we choose different words, and the communications can be difficult…even though you obviously speak English. So, to sum this entire thing up in less words, again, do you believe in the Trinity? Do you believe that God is three beings, Him being the head, yet also one in the same? God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? Just a simple yes and no please…if you could.
Dear Lyn, we do not believe in the Holy Trinity which was brought into Christianity in later years.
I am genuinely sorry for you, and those who follow this belief system. I will pray for you because time is about up, and unfortunately, you’re going to find out what is true,and what is not true so very soon. “Father God in the name of Jesus Christ, I pray that you would somehow come to this person, even if he laughs, mocks, or rebukes this prayer…do it anyway in Jesus name. I can tell that this person has a heart eager to learn your ways, and this person is very knowledgeable; but they are bound in their mind by a spirit of false doctrine. Father, release this person and show them the truth, no doubts…you know exactly what this person needs to see the lit up path before them. I pray this person will receive the truth before it is too late, Father, for time is short. Amen.
Christadelphians, God has been speaking to you, but the strongholds that bind your mind in false doctrine are not permitting you to receive. In the name of Jesus Christ, the scales are going to be removed from your eyes! For the Lord says that you have seen, but you have not believed…and so He shall show you once more. This time, believe. The Father loves you so much, and you are so special to Him….He wants you to know the truth. Please go to the Lord; even if you feel positive you are right…go to Him anyways and ask Him to reveal the truth to you if you are wrong in your belief. What can it hurt? Because what if you are wrong? No human being is perfect…we are corrupted…and Satan knows just how to make false doctrine seem so true and so right…he’s been around for thousands of years, and he is the master of deception.
The Lord wants to heal a situation in your life you’ve been praying for, but He can’t because you don’t accept the truth. When you accept the truth, He will give to you as you ask. This is why you’re not receiving. You must believe in the power of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit..and that together, they are separate, but one..and are God all three. Again I say to you, when you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe with all of your heart, only then will the Lord grant you the desire you so strongly wish for.
BTW, all of your messages keep going to spam, and I don’t always check it…so please be patient if responses take a while, or if I don’t get it. I think I’ve gotten all of your posts so far.
“He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.” Does not imply we have to take Jesus as God. Once more you bring text next to this phase which is unbiblical. Nowhere in the Bible is written “God the Father will judge no one, the Son will…the only One who can judge is God…therefore Jesus the Son is God. ” God is the one who can judge, but you and other can bring a judgement about something as well. As a fact, you brought a judgement over me, for example. Jesus is given the permission to sit at the right hand of his Father (notice he is not sitting in the seat of the Father) to judge the living and the dead. (Acts 7:55)
It is also not Jesus coming back to counsel, but the Spirit (the Force of God), like it was the Power of God who made Jesus do things. In John 15:26 Jesus say he will send the Counsellor from the Father, not from himself. John 16:7-9 also say “I will send him to you” You also say “3 distinct people are represented as being God…the Father, I (Jesus) and the Spirit.” but there is been spoken of 3 things or 2 persons (not one) and one thing, namely the Power or Force of the spirit God, because God is spirit and not human and His spirit has to live in us, which does not make us God (2Sa 23:2; Job 27:3; 33:4; Isa 61:1; Mt 3.16; *John 4:24*; Ro 8:9; 8:16;1Co 2:10-11; 3:16;2Co 3:17)
We do have to believe in Jesus; and we do have to believe in God. We also may only honour One God. But nowhere in the Bible is written we do have to believe in Jesus as God. God is the highest and He can not exalt somebody who is already the highest. Jesus was lesser than angels and so he could be exalted. Philippians 2:9-11says it clearly that Jesus is Lord, which is not God or the God. Jesus is King of kings, but God is the King of the King of kings and the Lord of the Lord of lords, plus the God of gods.
Could you please explain then why over and over in the New Testament, Christ refers to Himself both as the Son of God and as God; and so much that the pharisees and saducees accuse Him of blasphemy for both. Over and over, Jesus calls Himself both. Please read the information on this link..it is too much to post here, and then get back with us on this, please. http://www.letusreason.org/trin23.htm
Back in the Book of Exodus, Moses asked God what His name is. God responds to Moses by saying, “My name is I AM”- the self-existent One. This I AM in the Hebrew is the name of God, (YHWH) where we get “Yahweh.” The Hebrew of Ex.3:14 is “hayah asher hayah” “I am that I Am,” Ego eimi is the LXX translation of Exod. 3:14. Ego eimi is applied to “the one who is I AM” in fact where we find “I am,” the LXX (Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament) it states “ego eimi.”
Jesus in the New Testament uses all the examples to show who he is. The I AM sayings are with a predicate, the Greek words ‘ego eimi’ used by John are distinct and are applied only to Jesus. “I AM the Bread of Life” “I AM the Light of the World” “ I AM the good shepherd” “I AM the door.” “I AM the Way and the Truth and the Life” “I AM the resurrection and the life” “I AM the True Vine.”
John 14:9: “He who has seen Me has seen the Father”
Jesus in the New Testament uses all the examples to show who he is. The I AM sayings are with a predicate, the Greek words ‘ego eimi’ used by John are distinct and are applied only to Jesus. “I AM the Bread of Life” “I AM the Light of the World” “ I AM the good shepherd” “I AM the door.” “I AM the Way and the Truth and the Life” “I AM the resurrection and the life” “I AM the True Vine.”
These last two “I AM” statements (without the predicate) are explicit and have the intent of revealing his personhood to his hearers.
John 8:23-24: And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I AM from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; “for if you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” When we read all this in context we now understand that He is identifying that he came from heaven to earth, he is not just a man and twice repeats about their dying in sin if they do not believe he is the I AM from above.
“The phrase egoo (NT:1455) eimi (NT:1491) occurs three times here (John 8:24,28,58) and also in John 13:19. Jesus seems to claim absolute divine being as in John 8:58 (from Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament).
It is evident that Jesus was declaring His deity, even to the point that they became sinful if they refuse it. For no man finds his origin in heaven. John has previously stated that the Jews tried to kill Jesus, for the same reason-“He was calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God” (5:18).
Then they said to Him, “Who are You?” And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning’ (John 8:25).
To make the point again in his conversation, “Before Abraham was “I Am” (Jn. 8:58). He is saying “Yahweh is my name.” He is not saying that he existed from or before Abrahams time. Jesus has made a definitive statement that before Abraham came into existence or was born He (Jesus) was there. I have existed before all ages, before anything was created. It speaks of an eternal existence without respect to time of which only God can exist. Psalm 90:2: “From everlasting to everlasting thou art God.”
“John 8:58: Before Abraham was brought into being, I exist. The statement, therefore, is not that Christ came into existence before Abraham did-as Arians affirm is the meaning: it is that he never came into being at all, but existed before Abraham had a being; which, of course, was as much as to say that He existed before all creation, or from eternity, as in John 1:1 (from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary.)
Hence, Abraham “came into being, or was born” genesthai (NT:1086). Jesus’ life was from and to eternity. Hence, the formula for “absolute, timeless” existence, “I am” egoo (NT:1455) eimi (NT:1491) (from Vincent’s Word Studies of the New Testament)
“I am egoo (NT:1455) eimi (NT:1491). Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God. The contrast between genesthai (NT:1086) (entrance into existence of Abraham) and eimi (NT:1491) (timeless being) is complete. (from Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament)
We can only come to the conclusion that the “I AM” statements of Jesus were intentional, communicating what they were familiar with from Old Testament teachings and practices to prove the deity of Jesus the Christ to those who could hear his spiritual speech.
Mark 13:6: “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.” (I am he, “he” is not in the original.) Luke 21:8-9 adds, ‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them.” Before the real I AM returns He warns many will impersonate him. Mt. 24:5: “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.” If one puts all these warning statements together we learn several things. First that he is tasking the name God gave Moses and applying it to himself. Second that to claim to be Christ is the same as claiming to be I am, God. I AM is his name forever (Heb. Hayah ashur hayah, Gr. ego eimei; Exod. 3:14-15 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” ‘The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.”
When you say several times in a day, a year “I am” , does it imply that you are God?
That is a silly question; if you had read the entire article I posted the link to, what you just said does not make sense. That is only part of it. Jesus came straight out in the NT and referenced Himself as God.
So what you are saying, since Jesus said, when asked what His name was, and His claims in the NT that He is God, and that God is His Father at the same time, would imply that Jesus was a liar.
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“The expression ” I and the Father are one.”” is a classical expression which is still used in many languages, like ours (Dutch.”
It does not matter what this phrase means in your language or mine. What matters is what it means in Jesus day, it meant exactly what He said…God the Father and God the Son are one. Using your present day language to suggest this is only a saying is taking it out of context.
““In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” does not say Jesus is God;”
This is incorrect. If you read all the way through instead of cherry picking through the verses…you would plainly see that it does indeed say that the “Word” was God. Verse 1…the “Word” was God. Verse 2…He was with God…He, meaning a person not a voice speaking. Verse 3…Through Him all things were made…speaking of the “Word”…clearly a person, God the Son, Jesus.
Verse 14, The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
The “Word became flesh…if this does not refer to Jesus…then whom does it refer to? Verse 14 goes on to say that He (the Word) “came from the Father”…this verse can only be speaking of Jesus. How can you read all of John 1, and not come away with the knowledge of Jesus as God??? You can use all the word-play you like, the bible clearly teaches and Jesus claims it Himself that He is God.
How about this verse…John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
NO one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ…..explain that to me if Jesus is not God.
“God had already a Plan for the World from the moment that it went wrong.”
Wrong….God had a plan in place for this and all other things long before they ever happened. God acts, He does not react.
“when Jesus came into existence (was placed in the womb of a virgin,”
Jesus did not “come into existance” He is eternal just as the Father is. Almost every time God speaks in the OT it is the voice of Jesus…not the Father. Jesus created all things, meaning He was there from the very beginning.
Colossians 1:16-19 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
For by Him all things were created…again…speaking of Jesus. Verse 17…He is before all things, not some things, all things. Meaning Jesus could not possibly have come into “existence” in Mary’s womb. Verse 19…God (the Father) was plaesed to have ALL fullness dwell in Him (Jesus) meaning that Jesus is without a doubt God!
“Jesus clearly says: “the Father, living in me,” Yes He does, you forget the part where He says that He lives in the Father as well. I and the Father are one. You can’t point to your own sayings and say, see…this is not what Jesus meant. Read what is in the bible, read it in context, not verse by verse. No one in their right mind thinks they are going to become like God or Jesus, to imply anything like that is being silly.
You added “Jesus can not give life to anyone less He be God!” to John 5:21, or some one else added that. It is not written like that in the original text.“just as the father raises the dead and makes them alive, so too the son makes alive anyone he wants.” (John 5:21 CJB)
I added nothing, that was my comment which is still supported by even your version here…so too the son makes alive anyone he wants….the giving of eternal life.
Once more you yourself brings on “John 5:22-23 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgement to the Son, ” to say Jesus is God but here it says once more it is Jesus who judges and not God.
Once more you are reaching for what does not exist. This is not about my dogma. This is what is in the bible. If Jesus is the One to judge at the end, and He is according to the text I quoted….do you really suppose that God the Father would let someone who is not God judge us??? Only God can judge according to the bible, therefore since Jesus will be the judge according to the Word of God, then it follows by simple logic that Jesus must be God. It’s in the bible…these are not my words but the bibles.
What is clear to me is that the bible in any version clearly teaches Jesus as the Way and the only Way to eternal life…and you deny it. You will have to pay the price for this, not I.
If you feel that I “brought a judgement” over you, such was and is not my intent. I only wish to show that Jesus is the only way to eternal life, I did after all say that I wish to see you there in heaven.
As far as judgement goes, the bible very clearly states that the judgement will be by Jesus, not the Father.
2 timothy 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead…
John 5:27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Verse 21…Not everyone who say to me…me as in Jesus. Verse 22, again Jesus references the judgement and says me. Verse 23…Then I will tell them…Jesus speaking of Himself at the judgement. So how can you read all of this and tell me Jesus will not judge? Or that Jesus is not God.
“Philippians 2:9-11says it clearly that Jesus is Lord, which is not God or the God.”
Again…you are taking verses out of context, go back and read the entire paragraph to see the context! You can’t pick out verses to suit your needs. Any verse in the bible must be read in context, meaning that the verses before and sometimes after define what the writer was intending to say. It is not all about the original Greek or Hebrew, or Aramaic. Understanding the original languages is a huge plus, I agree with you, but if the verses are read alone out of context, that understanding of language counts for nothing.
Philippians 2:5-11
Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death– even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Verse 5-6…Jesus who being in very nature God. How clear is that?
Verse 9 Jesus was exalted because He humbled Himself as a servant and always obeyed His Father, this in no way means that Jesus is not God, verses 5-6 clearly say otherwise.
Verses 10-11 Every knee…every knee will bow to Jesus Christ, to the glory of God the Father…now why would this be if Jesus is not God. God shares His glory with no one…unless that being is God as well. Jesus is God. As is the Father, as is the Spirit. The Spirit by the way is referred to as a He…meaning that the Holy Spirit is a person as are the other two. Not human, but possessing a personality as do the Father and Son.
As for God being spirit only…this to is wrong. The bible clearly teaches that Jesus is both fully human, and fully God.
The other problem with this is that Jesus told us we are to preach the good news. So there will be controversy when dealing with demonic forces that have people in bondage. That is par for the course. Jesus specifically told us there would be persecution, hatred, and the such. These things are not peace. To be a Christian in this world causes disruption because those who are of the world are not of God. The Word of God is sharper than any two edged sword..dividing the marrow in the bone. I just have to be honest here; being a Christian means being in battle. We have a high commission..and that is to save the lost souls from the Kingdom of hell. I know of many religions who use force to convert people; this is not the way. Why is the world not coming down on those religions as they do Christianity? Because they are of no threat to the kingdom of hell. Satan has them already. But Jews and Christians..now there’s your threat. Satan hates them with a passion. This is why Christians and Jews are persecuted, and shall be persecuted further in the near future. The Word of God tells us to be bold…and like it or not, when we’re bold as a lion, we’re going to stir up some stuff, and it’s not going to be peacful because the powers of hell are going to be shaken, and they’re going to be angry..and their human hosts are going to feel every bit of their hate, anger, and corruption. It is what it is. Yes, love…but love involves correction, like it or not.
The Jews are the chosen people by God and shall receive their place in the Kingdom of God. They only honour the > One and Only Elohim, Hashem Jehovah. Christians also should honour and love the same God. Any Jews would agree that in case Christians believe Jesus is God this would be blasphemous and that they would not have the same God as Christians.
The battle spoken off in the Holy Scriptures shall certainly happen, religions shall come up against each other. More than one shall take up arms to go to fight, but a worthy Christian shall not take up damaging weapons, but shall use the armour of faith and love also for the enemy.
I would invite you to read these posts and comment on them. I wrote these posts after our conversation here. May the Lord speak to you as you read them, not because I wrote them, but because belief in Jesus is essential to eternal life.
http://believinggodtoday.com/2012/08/02/in-defense-of-the-christ-part-one/
http://believinggodtoday.com/2012/08/06/in-defense-of-the-christ-part-two/
http://believinggodtoday.com/2012/08/10/in-defense-of-the-christ-part-three/
Never mind what I said on your page. Apparently, it did post as it should’ve. When I approved it, it did not show that you did. It just said you posted a comment on my page. Sorry for the confusion, and God bless you.
No worries Lyn, its all good! Check out this blog, you might like it!
http://lifeofafemalebiblewarrior.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/the-atheist-indoctrination-project/
I have taken the time to read all of your posts, in their entirity. And I would ask you one small favor please, Christadelphians…please. Could you just watch this short video for me? That’s all I ask. Watch it and then please write to me. I spent a while last night in prayer for you…the Lord is going to set your mind free my friend…praise the Lord! The flesh will reject my words, but the spirit longs for the truth, because our God is sown into all of our spirits..it’s our corrupted, fleshly brains that argue with it, cast it off, deny it, ignore it, and oftentimes don’t even know it. In the name of Jesus Christ, spirit of deception, religious error, false doctrine, and deception..i command you to let go of this person’s mind right now…release him at once. In the name of Jesus Christ, allow the blinders to be removed from his eyes so that he may see. Christadelphians, I love you in Christ, and our Father loves you so much. I beg you watch this video, and i beg you ponder the one question I’ve asked…the time is at hand, what if you are wrong? When it’s too late, there will be no more chances to go back and fix it. Is it worth it not to consider my words and take it to Adonai, and ask Him to reveal the truth to you…to remove any hindrances from your mind, so that you can see? To correct you if you have erred? Once again, I urge you my friend to reconsider and ponder these things. May God bless you and reveal the truth.
Correction: Where i said “our God is sown into all of our spirits” that could come acrosss wrong; I want to clarify..the knowledge of our Creator (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) is sown into all of our spirits. There are too many new age false religions that claim we are god and all of that..I wanted to clarify what I meant.
John 14 KJV
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
How can one read this and not know that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are separate entities, yet one in the same? God took a part of His own Spirit out of Himself and put it in a body of flesh, called Jesus. Thus, He also took another part of His own Spirit out of Himself and released it to mankind upon the death of Jesus, called the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was with God from the beginning, as was Jesus…but the Holy Spirit was released unto man when Jesus died on the cross.
I love Perry Stone, he is one of my favorite authors. And yes, I believe too that the One World is soon on its way. And what a scary thing Chrislam is.